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勳爵士 | 2014-1-26 06:48:15

We all know that Mandarin Chinese is taiwan's official language, in other words, the medium of instruction across the state. Apparently and interestingly, Taiwanese people nowadays are using the language from the enemy which is not a world language either, which has raised notable question: Do Taiwanese people need to persist with that language any more?

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勳爵士 | 2014-1-26 06:57:58

順便介紹下 我來自中國 目前居住在英語圈 我深深感受過 非英語教育環境出身者從事科學技術領域的劣勢
平時常接觸在海外的台灣人

不同於PRC有一個專制政權控制一切 我深感台灣毫無必要使用mandarin這種本身沒有意義的語文

即便是站在一個對traditional chinese culture 有興趣者的立場 比如我本人 我要麼讀古籍文學 要麼就讀英文(我已經發誓 I would write in either English or classical Chinese, rather than Mandarin, 若各位不介意 我將不使用Mandarin)

其實我覺得這個問題 表面上很複雜 其實簡言之 現代實用領域 自然用world language是首選 若堅持某種local language必然源於欲守其文化傳承 然而majority 台灣人有守Mandarin傳統之必要? 願與諸位交流看法

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forestkung
子爵 | 2014-1-30 20:57:31

本帖最後由 forestkung 於 2014-1-31 20:58 編輯

Right, the Yankee still love to speak English even though the perfidious Albion were their foes. Your words are pointless and idiotic in a sense. People opt for a certain language because they get used to it for long, not because they live under democracy or dictatorship. Why don't you rid your yellow skin and flat face as well as squinted eyes?--since doing so would make you look more like an English spoken white ass anyway. Taiwan's independence de jure does not necessarily exclude the using of Mandarin as our daily language. It's vision and determination that matter to independence, not English though. You say you live in a Engish-spoken country, do you? Then don't make yourself like a real joke in the eyes of the white.  Sigh.....

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kingwater
男爵 | 2014-2-27 11:33:48

非常認同樓上的說法!
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wu_chung_tang
勳爵士 | 2014-3-3 16:54:48

forestkung 發表於 2014-1-30 20:57
Right, the Yankee still love to speak English even though the perfidious Albion were their foes. You ...

Okay, I'm glad to answer all of your comments.

“People opt for a certain language because they get used to it for long, not because they live under democracy or dictatorship.”

You are talking about the persistence a person intuitively has. However, those who want to improve themselves, or to facilitate a better life, would like to change something that seems less useful. Apparently, persisting with a language without a rational reason does not make sense from this perspective.

“Why don't you rid your yellow skin and flat face as well as squinted eyes?”
You assumption is that, English language solely belongs to white people or westerners. That is obviously imprecise. Despite the fact, a number of English-speaking societies, such as Singapore, Malaysia constituted by non-european people, when I read the science/technological magazines, where I often see articles written by Asian people,  I feel like English tends to be the universal language for those favor them. From this point of view, unlike regional languages like Chinese or Japanese, English has for long been the international language across the world, in other words, the language of human being.

“since doing so would make you look more like an English spoken white ass anyway”
Actually, doing so would make me feel that, I can be closer to all the people around the world who speak English, regardless of his/her skin color. It seems to me, “English=white people”, and you are proud of being a non-white person, this kind of perception in your mind appears stronger than anything else.

“Taiwan's independence de jure does not necessarily exclude the using of Mandarin as our daily language”

You haven’t given any reason for this assertion, except the irrational persistence you described above. Or please tell why you think Mandarin is so important to Taiwanese people? If you read history, you should know that, Mandarin was not the language of most Taiwanese people before 1946, which is a relatively new language to Taiwanese, with the power of dictatorship under the rule of KMT. The medium of instruction in Taiwan prior to WWII was Japanese when the vast majority spoke Taiwanese at home. In addition, Mandarin was not my mother tough either, when I talked with my parent in Shanghainese, as a result, I fully understand the linguistic situation in Taiwan. Taiwanese people have overcome the difficulty learning and using Mandarin under dictatorship, but why not for a universal and beneficial language?

“Then don't make yourself like a real joke in the eyes of the white”
You might want to express that, I was discriminated by white people. They are in fact quite friendly to me, compared with those speaking Mandarin in PRC to you who are maintaining thousands of missiles towards you. I even cannot speculate how you got the confidence as a Mandarin speaker.

Overall, what I can see from your opinion is either, don’t want to change to any other language from Mandarin because of the persistence, or speaking Mandarin as a symbolic feature to show off that you are an Asian, nothing else indeed. For the latter point, I would, if being allowed to choose, speak Japanese to identify myself as an Asian.
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wu_chung_tang
勳爵士 | 2014-3-3 16:59:54

kingwater 發表於 2014-2-27 11:33
非常認同樓上的說法!

I just feel that you probably has been ruled by Mandarin speakers for so long, that you have lost the capability of independent thinking.

Personally, I appreciate the English language, through which, I learnt the universal justice, the democratic notion, the human rights, the humanity and fairness, as well as the cutting-edge science and technology, all of which were never taught by Mandarin speakers. As a rational man, I cannot find any reason I should use a language other than English in my life.
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